tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.comments2024-03-12T08:21:23.931+01:00Traditional Taekwondo RamblingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger1206125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-80093032956242354912024-03-03T08:22:01.367+01:002024-03-03T08:22:01.367+01:00Read this after 12 years still feels reading this ...Read this after 12 years still feels reading this afresh<br />Rajesh Khilarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283339195534965194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-22067315762430100782024-02-01T11:02:38.939+01:002024-02-01T11:02:38.939+01:00Wow what an amazing blog. I'm so happy to find...<br /><br />Wow what an amazing blog. I'm so happy to find your blog. I will definitely check your other post as well.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.genyukandojo.com/" rel="nofollow">Aikido Classes NYC</a>Martial Arts School in Rego Parkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11400187919198106492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-85614851808772908042023-11-30T07:24:51.441+01:002023-11-30T07:24:51.441+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Cleaning Services by Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770345263742420592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-36958304092318908202023-09-21T05:15:35.490+02:002023-09-21T05:15:35.490+02:00This only works from the ITF point of view, but on...This only works from the ITF point of view, but one question I would ask p/b/k only advocates is "why are roundhouse kicks aimed at 45-degrees in some forms" (eg Hwa-Rang, Gae-Baek).<br /><br />You can't argue it's because they are using a set from Shotokan kata, because roundhouse kicks are not in any Shotokan kata (excluding the ground kick in Unsu).<br /><br />That means that the makers of the ITF patterns (A) consciously choose to add in roundhouse kicks and (B) decided to aim some of them at a 45-degree angle.<br /><br />The usual explanation is that you are kicking a new opponent attacking form 45-degrees, but this is silly. We perform no other blocks or strikes to this hypothetical opponent. <br /><br />The real reason (from my point of view) is that we are behind the opponent and kicking in the back of their legs. But this requires grappling applications to make sense.<br /><br />I'm not sure of a similar "gotcha" for the KTA forms. Maybe the fact that a bear hug defense from one of Mabuni's books is in Sipjin? In fact, almost nothing from Sipjin makes sense in a p/b/k paradigm.FootFistWayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602487560607178519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-27467712398305371852023-09-17T22:23:44.619+02:002023-09-17T22:23:44.619+02:00Your the besstYour the besstceriterakinihttps://ceriterakini.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-69446513770944182842023-07-09T13:21:33.310+02:002023-07-09T13:21:33.310+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.jobcantterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900493094823085891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-7018353070178293222023-05-18T06:51:51.451+02:002023-05-18T06:51:51.451+02:00Interesting read.Interesting read.Paleo Recipeshttps://www.paleocooks.com/paleo/paleo_friendly_zucchini_noodles_with_parsley_5414363655.shtmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-72335351883237105322022-10-05T15:48:56.706+02:002022-10-05T15:48:56.706+02:00Thanks :-)Thanks :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-59422669726064769972022-10-05T15:47:57.491+02:002022-10-05T15:47:57.491+02:00Well written and informative. Thank you!Well written and informative. Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-65305606837405728292022-08-12T05:05:50.588+02:002022-08-12T05:05:50.588+02:00Great post, much appreciate the time you took to w...Great post, much appreciate the time you took to write thisMaid Service Dublinhttps://www.local-maid-service.com/us/housekeeping-services-ohio/maid-service-dublin.shtmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-72133557444123672552022-05-16T20:11:14.229+02:002022-05-16T20:11:14.229+02:00What a fantastic summary of the pulling hand! Ther...What a fantastic summary of the pulling hand! There is a lot of focus on hikite in karate bunkai but it does seem to be rarely discussed in the scope of poomsae application. Great stuff.NBTKDAhttps://www.nbtkda.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-2563133707684890842022-04-08T16:31:34.132+02:002022-04-08T16:31:34.132+02:00GM Kim Soo also published Koryo in the April 1972 ...GM Kim Soo also published Koryo in the April 1972 issue of "Offical Karate" It's fascinating to me that the sequence presented in your photos is very nearly identical to GM Kim's article. Thanks for posting this.Tom Schampnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-25599060499196931492022-03-28T21:01:29.464+02:002022-03-28T21:01:29.464+02:00For further comparison compare it to the forearm c...For further comparison compare it to the forearm conditioning drill and the southern shaolin three straights four gates. Instead of doing low block then middle block as found in the conditioning drill and southern shaolin form its been changed in karate to a low block to high block sequence. Also the horizontal hammer fist is from tekki kata,but its changes to a downward hammerfist, which necessitates the introduction of the back stance to impart downward momentum as the vector has changed. The back stance is another change to the form. In Okinawa Shorin Ryu they use cat stance also known as t stance instead of back stance. Also in the older version they used a wave returning kick as is found in tekki to the knee which was turned into a mid level side snap kick. Then his son changed it to a high side thrust kick as is found in modern Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do.Martial Artisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816385303398512864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-73267517342118632512021-12-23T17:49:14.135+01:002021-12-23T17:49:14.135+01:00Good to see you writing again!
I've often won...Good to see you writing again!<br /><br />I've often wondered if it's better to teach the form first, the form and the applications simultaneously, or (as some suggest) the applications and THEN the solo form. <br /><br />On the one hand, the muscle memory does help. Even if the application is not 100% like the form, knowing the approximate movements makes performing the application easier. I once tried teaching a new student the applications for Chon-Ji before they learned the pattern; I found that without a proper foundation of utilizing the front stance, hip twist, etc they could not perform the techniques with power. Then again, they were an absolute beginner.<br /><br />On the other hand, knowing applications makes memorizing the form easier. I know this because for years I practiced forms without any deeper meaning, but once I began studying applications they became easier to repeat because I could visualize what I was doing. <br /><br />I too am frustrated at the lack of interest in form applications. Many instructors would prefer to focus on sparring (meaning, kickboxing) for understandable reasons. But I believe they are missing out on something meaningful from taekwondo's history. <br />FootFistWayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602487560607178519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-56214593483594656722021-12-21T04:35:43.820+01:002021-12-21T04:35:43.820+01:00And you won't. I too have thought long and ha...And you won't. I too have thought long and hard about how the Kukkiwon treats the forms it promulgates. My teacher had always emphasized the importance of forms, even keeping all of the older MDK ones (which tbh i liked much better)<br /><br />Anyway, as i have mentioned before, they really haven't taken the applications to their forms seriously. I have seen their instructor courses where the reasons for the moves are incredibly basic--stuff you would say to a white belt--and that is only when they get around to mentioning application at all. <br />I have no say in these organizations, but i have found resistance to application based approach in many schools i have been to. Yet if you give students some solid applications to work with they light up. <br /><br />On a personal level, i have started writing about some methods I have found useful in figuring out what these forms can mean. (If interested rough draft is published in my facebook page,<br /> returning wave)<br />I think this is a shameful situation. It has gotten so bad that many of the yudanja forms have lost their function due to aesthetic concerns. Look at the "mountain blocks" in Keumgang. The position of the arms looks good, and you are told to hold them in line with the body, but they don't work that way--looks good though richardchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03329168045786232138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-58946908391858543482021-11-24T21:51:10.903+01:002021-11-24T21:51:10.903+01:00This post is one of those "nuggets of wisdom&...This post is one of those "nuggets of wisdom" posts I look for to help inform my own research into the what, how, and why of taekwondo poomsae. My current working hypothesis -- really an informed hunch at this point, but I'm building it out as I dig deeper -- is that key events involving South Korea's relationship with Japan coincided with the tensions within the KTA to make 1965 a pivotal, tumultuous year, making it almost inevitable WT taekwondo would be changed forever and result in the art and sport we have today. That was the year that saw ROK normalize relations with Japan, even as the population continued to harbor (well-founded) resentments against its former imperial oppressor. That year also saw the last black belt test to use the old Shotokan kata, quan fa two-person forms, and Choi's (first five) Chang-Hon hyung (according to Kingsley Umoh's book "Taekwondo Poomsae: The Fighting Scrolls," which I highly recommend for its wealth of history, theory, and practical applications).<br /><br />What I suspect happened is this: the Park regime, in its zeal to build out South Korean nationalism while at the same time building up its economic base, felt the need to thread the needle between exploiting anti-Japanese sentiment for political purposes while re-establishing relations with Japan for economic purposes. Given the growth in taekwondo's popularity, it was an easy task and quick political win to demand it "purify" itself of "Japanese influences" (never mind that the art wouldn't exist without these "influences"). These impulses had been growing for some time, starting with Park's coup in 1961, but for reasons that are still not fully clear to me (though they should be soon as I continue my research), they came to a head in 1965.<br /><br />I suspect these events are also the reason the Palgwae forms (which my school practices, introducing PG 1-4 as additional 2nd Dan forms and PG 5-8 as additional 3rd Dan forms) seem somewhat more haphazardly arranged and much closer to the Shotokan (and if we're being honest, Chang-Hon) forms they replaced than the Taegeuk forms that came a few years later. To wit: the KTA was suddenly in a hurry to develop and roll out a new forms curriculum in time for the next black belt test, noticeably different from the old forms but still familiar enough that they could be learned quickly and demonstrated for testing purposes. This may also be why the Yudanja forms similarly appear only loosely connected to the philosophies they supposedly espouse, in two cases being renamed, in one case just being jettisoned entirely in favor of a new form -- while some forms may have been in development for a while (there's evidence of this, actually), they all had to be finished quickly to meet the demand to portray a fully "Korean" art and teach it to a generation of black belts who almost overnight had no forms to perform.<br /><br />With the old forms supplanted by the Palgwae and Yudanja forms, the KTA Poomsae Committee had a little breathing space to finish work on the Taegeuk (and a new Koryo) poomsae, as well as more time to ensure representation from all the original kwan on the committee. I am fairly confident this is why the Taegeuk series appears more structured (and less like a re-cut clone of Shotokan) than the Palgwae series.<br /><br />As I alluded to above, this is still as much supposition as it is a firm assessment, as my research is still at an early stage. I'm adding to it all the time, however, and hope to start publishing some findings in the next year or two. Your blog is a huge inspiration and valuable source for that endeavor, and I look forward to sharing ideas (and crediting your excellent work!) as my own research progresses.CharlesHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-45477601316969336852021-11-18T13:56:58.178+01:002021-11-18T13:56:58.178+01:00You’re welcome:-) You’re welcome:-) Ørjan Nilsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506123119682274818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-2938892088232984862021-11-17T18:03:54.056+01:002021-11-17T18:03:54.056+01:00Thannk youThannk youMila Bhttps://www.milabrowning.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-19575635792788234522021-09-26T13:10:35.490+02:002021-09-26T13:10:35.490+02:00Thanks :-) I’m looking forward to hear them :-) I ...Thanks :-) I’m looking forward to hear them :-) I haven’t been able to publish much the last two years but I have a lot of plans :-) Ørjan Nilsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506123119682274818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-2560326987915489102021-09-26T13:08:32.183+02:002021-09-26T13:08:32.183+02:00World Taekwondo is a sport organisation and the sp...World Taekwondo is a sport organisation and the sport does not allow throws :-) If you find a traditional Dojang that would compete under World Taekwondo if they competed you’d probably find throws. That is what I practise :-) Hope that helps 👍🏻Ørjan Nilsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506123119682274818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-710260818505517782021-09-24T03:20:06.975+02:002021-09-24T03:20:06.975+02:00I am still working my way through all your blog po...I am still working my way through all your blog posts to "do my homework," but this post was a good one for me to comment that I'm on a similar journey and have already gotten a lot of great information (and inspiration!) from you. Once I get caught up on your fantastic content, I look forward to sharing some of my own thoughts and exchanging more information with you on the history, meaning, and authentic, practical applications of taekwondo poomsae.<br /><br />-- Charles, USAUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15990509445793760378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-52123572670103812172021-09-20T20:11:28.152+02:002021-09-20T20:11:28.152+02:00Your post is very informative. I didn't know t...Your post is very informative. I didn't know that Taekwondo styles had throws in them. Your post is very organized with a lotta detailed info about the 3 types of basic throws. I appreciate your post. I am thinking of practicing World Taekwondo at least after my Kenpo 2nd Degree Green Belt Test. Do you know if there are throws in World Taekwondo?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-81549088112935271962021-09-14T12:18:04.787+02:002021-09-14T12:18:04.787+02:00I have studied Mu Sul for many years from Korean, ...I have studied Mu Sul for many years from Korean, Okinawan, Filipino, and American styles. I am about to write a book on Bunkai for Tae Kwon Do forms. This is very helpful! Thank you!Cfinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08364989071521875123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-73581704872661741172021-08-09T01:14:11.250+02:002021-08-09T01:14:11.250+02:00I studied with Kum Sung Karate in New Jersey for a...I studied with Kum Sung Karate in New Jersey for a year. I see your handle is NJ TKD. Though I had exposure to ATA and Moo Duk Kwan, because my uncle was an instructor. In college I took Tae Kwon Do 6 years Kukkikwon curriculum and got my black belt. Martial Artisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816385303398512864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7969550358686428094.post-82830987687442112832021-07-31T12:10:34.682+02:002021-07-31T12:10:34.682+02:00I was wondering if you use text to speech app and ...I was wondering if you use text to speech app and make a transcript and then, you can use google translator to translate it. I want to know how the poomsae was created in 70s. Thanks.Ivan Alidjajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11487434842458941812noreply@blogger.com